This year at IFA, instead of suddenly finding the new silicon on the show floor, Huawei’s CEO Richard Yu announced this year’s new Kirin 980 during the company’s keynote speech. For readers who’ve been attentively following our articles over the last few months, today’s news should hopefully not come at too big of a surprise, as I’ve been heavily hinting at the timing of the first new 7nm Cortex A76 silicon designs coming later this year in commercial devices, with HiSilicon being the prime candidate for being the first vendor on the market with the their new generation SoC.

Huawei’s silicon design division HiSilicon has been a key strategic component for the company’s products, as it enables it to differentiate itself in a more drastic way than what we usually see from other vendors who simply rely on established open-market SoC vendors such as Qualcomm. This kind of strategy of course is a double-edged sword, as if you’re all-in with your in-house silicon, it also means that these designs must be executed properly, as otherwise you find yourself in an unfavourable competitive position.

The Kirin 950 was an impressive chip as it boasted the first Cortex A72 design on a then new TSMC 16FF manufacturing process – this paid off plenty for Huawei as the combination of new IP as a new manufacturing node resulted in a very competitive silicon which directly translated into favourable characteristics of the handsets in that it was used in.

The Kirin 960 and Kirin 970 on the other hand showcased the risky side of this strategy, and where things can go off-track – the Kirin 960 was a 16nm SoC released in a device generation where 10nm competitors such as the Snapdragon 835 and Exynos 8895 dominated. The Kirin 970 fared better when switching to a 10nm manufacturing node, but this time around HiSilicon wasn’t able to include the newest Arm CPU IP, relying on an A73 CPU while the Snapdragon 845 embraced the new A75. Furthermore the last two Kirin generations had showcased extremely uncompetitive GPU performance and efficiency figures – here HiSilicon is stuck and is at the whim of IP vendors’ ability to produce competitive designs against market leaders such as Qualcomm.

The reason as to why I reiterated what happened to the last few generations, is that this time around HiSilicon finds itself in a very favourable position where IP and manufacturing is aligned into what is essentially a best-case scenario for the new design. Arm’s new Cortex A76 and Mali G76 both promise great leaps in terms of performance and power efficiency, and TSMC is in mass production of its new 7nm manufacturing node.

Today we present the new Kirin 980, the first announced TSMC 7nm SoC as well as the first Cortex A76 and Mali G76 design:

HiSilicon High-End Kirin SoC Lineup
SoC Kirin 980 Kirin 970 Kirin 960
CPU 2x A76 @ 2.60 GHz
2x A76 @ 1.92 GHz
@ 512KB L2's

4x A55 @ 1.80 GHz
@ 128KB L2's

4MB DSU L3
4x A73 @ 2.36 GHz
4x A53 @ 1.84 GHz

2MB L2
4x A73 @ 2.36GHz
4x A53 @ 1.84GHz

2MB L2
GPU ARM Mali-G76MP10
@ 720 MHz
ARM Mali-G72MP12
@ 746 MHz
ARM Mali-G71MP8
@ 1037MHz
LPDDR4
Memory
4x 16-bit CH
LPDDR4X @ 2133MHz 34.1GB/s
4x 16-bit CH
LPDDR4X @ 1833 MHz
29.9GB/s
4x 16-bit CH
LPDDR4 @ 1866MHz
29.9GB/s
Storage I/F UFS 2.1 UFS 2.1 UFS 2.1
ISP/Camera New Dual ISP
+46% speed

10-bit pipeline
Dual 14-bit ISP Dual 14-bit ISP
(Improved)
Encode/Decode 2160p60 Decode   
2160p30 Encode :(
2160p60 Decode
2160p30 Encode
1080p H.264
Decode & Encode

2160p30 HEVC
Decode
Integrated Modem Kirin 980 Integrated LTE
(Category 21/18)

DL = 1400 Mbps
4x4 MIMO
3x20MHz CA, 256-QAM
(5CA no MIMO)

UL = 200 Mbps
2x2 MIMO
1x20MHz CA, 256-QAM
Kirin 970 Integrated LTE
(Category 18/13)

DL = 1200 Mbps
5x20MHz CA, 256-QAM

UL = 150 Mbps
2x20MHz CA, 64-QAM
Kirin 960 Integrated LTE
(Category 12/13)

DL = 600Mbps
4x20MHz CA, 64-QAM

UL = 150Mbps
2x20MHz CA, 64-QAM
Sensor Hub i8 i7 i6
NPU Dual @ >2x perf Yes No
Mfc. Process TSMC 7nm TSMC 10nm TSMC 16nm FFC

The new Kirin 980 checks off all of the newest available IPs from Arm, finally employing a new DynamIQ CPU cluster configuration comprised of 4 Cortex A76's and 4 Cortex A55s.

The biggest surprise to today’s announcement for me is to see that HiSilicon has made the step forward to fully take advantage of Arm’s new DSU cluster and its asynchronous CPU configuration, and actually implement the brand new Cortex A76 into two groups, each housed in their own clock and voltage plane.

The highest performance Cortex A76 pair runs at up to 2.6GHz. This is less than Arm’s originally announced 3GHz target for the CPU, however I had warned readers to expect more conservative clocks around the 2.5GHz figure, as the higher clock rates seemingly were meant for higher TDP form-factors. Nevertheless, the new CPU microarchitecture still brings with it substantial performance improvements, and thus will still perform very well at 2.6GHz, posting leading performance for this generation.

The surprise of seeing the second pair of Cortex A76 cores running at up to 1.92GHz is actually quite fantastic news for power efficiency. Here we see HiSilicon include what is essentially a “medium” efficiency group of CPUs. Because these two cores are running on a separate clock and voltage plane to the primary performance A76 pair, it means they can operate at different efficiency points, enabling more effective power savings in varied multi-threaded operation.

Previously, quad-core clusters were running on the same clock and voltages, and if there was a single high performance thread requiring a high performance state, it meant that other medium-performance threads were forced to take a power efficiency penalty by needlessly running at this less efficient performance state. By introducing a mid-tier, this effectively eliminates such kind of overhead which is commonly found in real-world applications.

I haven’t been able to confirm this with HiSilicon as of yet, but the reduced clock of this mid pair of A76 would also strongly point out to a possibly different physical implementation with a lower silicon sign-off frequency. This means that even though both pairs of A76’s are the same IP, this mid-pair are very likely to actually be more efficient when running at the same frequency.

Finally, we see four new Cortex A55 cores as the most power-efficient workhorses of the SoC who’ll be able to take the brunt of workloads, running at up to 1.8GHz. Here again, virtue of the mid-performance cluster, HiSilicon is likely able to implement a very power-efficiency focused physical implementation for the A55’s, resulting in clock speeds that in range with current generation A53 and A55 SoCs.

Cache wise, all the Cortex A76’s come with their recommended 512KB L2 cache configurations while the A55’s employ 128KB caches. As a reminder, in the new DynamIQ cluster configuration, the L2 caches for these designs are private to each CPU core. The L3 cache in the DSU has seen a full implementation at 4MB, double that of what we’ve seen in the Snapdragon 845.

I haven’t been able to confirm the frequency of the DSU in the Kirin 980, nor if it actually has a separate clock and voltage plane of its own, here it might be possible that it’s could be on the same plane with the A55’s. Again, that’s just speculation on my part, the other possibility is that we have 4 full clock and voltage planes for the whole CPU complex.

75% higher CPU performance, 58% better efficiency compared to Kirin 970

In terms of performance gains, HiSilicon promises 75% gains over the Kirin 970, which after a bit of math actually ends up basically exactly where I had projected the A76 to land, based on Arm’s own performance claims.

The following projection is of my own, and takes into account both Arm’s and HiSilicon’s matching performance claims:

As you may have noted, the power and efficiency estimates are also included. HiSilicon proclaims that the Kirin 980 is 58% more power efficient than the Kirin 970. We haven’t been able to clarify if this means that the perf/W is 58% better at the same performance of the 970, or if the Kirin 980 has a 58% better perf/W at both SoC’s respective peak performance states. The projection assumes the latter, and it actually again it matches up with Arm’s own claims about the Cortex A76.

I’m still very very sceptical about these numbers as they seem quite fantastic; yet to date I haven’t seen any contradictory information that would actually rebuke these estimates. For the time being, until we actually get our hands on the first Kirin 980 device, take the above power and efficiency estimate with a large grain of salt.

Update Post-Keynote: During the presentation Huawei’s footnotes clarified that the efficiency figures are based on Dhrystone. Dhrystone is very CPU core enclosed and doesn’t stress the rest of the SoC nearly as much in terms of memory traffic, putting some doubts into the above estimates as well as Huawei’s power figures.

The move to a 3-tier CPU hierarchy also brings with itself complications in terms of scheduling. As we’ve seen this year, scheduling is very much a new critical component of modern SoCs as with the very high dynamic range of performance and power, using the most optimal solution is critical in extracting the best out of the silicon. Here HiSilicon promises a new “Flexible scheduling” mechanism. We unfortunately don’t have any more details on this, but it’s going to be a crucial component of the new Kirin 980.

Improved GPU, NPU and ISP on 7nm - A SoC To Look Forward To
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  • Wilco1 - Monday, September 3, 2018 - link

    Given the 10nm issues, they will have to relax CPP/MPP far more than for the ++ processes: https://semiaccurate.com/2018/08/02/intel-guts-10n...

    The actual densities achieved in real chips prove what a process can achieve. And Intel's own slides clearly show that 20nm has better density than Intel 14nm. You can bash your bible as much as you like but that's not going to change hard facts.
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  • V900 - Monday, September 3, 2018 - link

    It showed no such thing. 😁

    Just look at the “normalized for composition” graph to see Intels advantage.

    And the fact that you either don’t know or don’t understand why the other graph is meaningless, shows that you don’t really understand the subject:
    Just another fanboy who treats CPU architectures like rival soccerclubs.
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  • Wilco1 - Monday, September 3, 2018 - link

    Look at page 18 - it shows the indisputable area advantage for TSMC and Samsung in real silicon.

    The rest is marketing bullshit, if you believe 30+% of a SoC is SRAM, I can give you a great price on this bridge I have for sale.
    Reply
  • RaduR - Saturday, September 1, 2018 - link

    Looking forward for a real life test . I'm afraid these A76 CPUs will throttle a lot and eat your battery fast .

    Battery life today is more important than CPU power . Also GPU is important as average user profile is : Whatsapp, Facebook , YouTube.

    Also for business users that open a lot of pdf , and office docs GPU is important . Will just see how it performs in real life .

    In the end competition is good . Intel was sleeping for years until Zen. We don't want QCOMM to do the same , isn't it ?
    Reply
  • umano - Saturday, September 1, 2018 - link

    Reading this makes me want to trash my p20 pro :) Usually I buy the best hw I can afford but I find ridiculous spending 1359 euro for an Iphone x, and in this case I went straight for the camera(s). Couldn't be happier. In my consumer perspective, the 980 won't be a reason to upgrade, but a waterproof phone which I can use to take picture underwater would :=) Reply
  • SanX - Sunday, September 2, 2018 - link

    ARM has to look at the chips for supercomputers where Intel sells its 8 billion transistors Xeon chips for $2000 while this 8 billion transistors ARM marvel go just for $20. Since most supercomputers are memory bandwidth bound anyway the ARM will easily find its place there Reply
  • darkich - Monday, September 3, 2018 - link

    Look up the Fujitsu's next ARM supercomputer..it will be the first exascale and the fastest in the world.

    Btw your comparison with Intel is a perfect illustration of just how disgustingly overrated Intel is.
    Their chips have nothing to do with high tech any more..it's just a monopoly built on borderline criminal practices.
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  • darkich - Monday, September 3, 2018 - link

    "..The A64FX is made up of 8,786 million transistors and will be manufacturered to a 7nm process. Fujitsu claims that it will be the first chip to take advantage of ARM's Scalable Vector Extensions instruction set, developed specifically for high-performance computing. Fujitsu claims that it could also be used for artificial intelligence applications.

    Sporting 48 cores with two-four assistant cores to assist with processes such as input/ouput, jitter reduction and asynchronous MPI [multiple protocol interface]. For floating-point calculations, Fujitsu claims the A64FX will be able to achieve 2.7 teraflops for 64-bit (FP64) operations, more than 5.4 teraflops for 32-bit (FP32) operations, and more than 10.8 teraflops for 16-bit (FP16) operations."

    Smart Japs.
    Reply
  • V900 - Monday, September 3, 2018 - link

    Intel rarely sells “2000$ Xeon chips”.

    You seem to confuse the list price with the price actual customers (enterprise) pays for them.

    While Xeon is a huge moneymaker for Intel, none of their big enterprise customers actually pay the list price, in most cases it’s significantly less.

    They’re still much more expensive than ARM chips, but the kind of customers who need the fastest CPUs available don’t really care.
    Reply
  • FunBunny2 - Monday, September 3, 2018 - link

    it would be instructive to see an instruction profile of a xeon machine in 'supercomputer' use?? RISC came to be just because lots o folks were convinced that all those high-cycle instructions weren't used much or that useful when they were. could it be that ARM architecture is sufficient for this use case?? Reply

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