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  • austinsguitar - Monday, September 14, 2020 - link

    i actually kinda like it. looks alright
  • Flunk - Monday, September 14, 2020 - link

    Looks like a picture of fans and a plastic shroud.
  • just4U - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    Maybe.. but it's possible it's metal, The R7 was... Shame it still had a hard time keeping that VII cool.. as it was a pretty good design.
  • Showtime - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    Rumors are the new cards will be 50% more efficient. Well see, but even if they are only around 25% more efficient, it should help a lot. Had to undervolt my last AMD card, but now I even do that with NVIDIA cards.
  • Alexvrb - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    50% more efficient ultimately just means more performance per watt. How many cores they cram in will still determine actual power consumption (and heat dissipated). So we'll see.
  • HarryVoyager - Wednesday, September 16, 2020 - link

    As I understand it, they're going to have twice the compute units from the 5700XT series.

    I suspect they were technically able to do the 80 CU part in the RDNA1 line but decided not to because the thermal load would have be just to much to deal with for something that may well not have been competitive with the 2080 TI parts.
  • Spunjji - Thursday, September 17, 2020 - link

    Doubling RDNA and relaxing the clocks a little could have given them a theoretical part that performed about 15-20% better than a 2080Ti, but at ~360-400W power draw - and they'd have had to shell out big bucks for whichever approach they took to doubling the memory interface. All that and with no RT, so it would have had to sell at a cut price too.

    Based on the 3080 reviews, I'm quite hopeful that RDNA 2 will be highly competitive. The 3080 performs almost exactly like twice an RX 5700; doubling the execution resources of Navi 10 and mixing in a 50% boost in performance per watt would net them better-than-3080 performance at 320W, or similar performance from the second-bin product at about 275W.

    That all depends on them hitting that 50% target, though, and even then they'll more than likely lose in RT titles.
  • Vayra - Thursday, September 24, 2020 - link

    Teehee yeah 50% perf/watt boost from going from 7nm to.... 7nm.

    Not happening, if they make 30% I'd already be surprised. 50% might be their RT figure, seeing as the performance is nil currently.
  • dromoxen - Monday, September 21, 2020 - link

    50% ? Just no ..
  • duploxxx - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    looks like a sapphire build
  • Flunk - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    Good eye, Sapphire designs all of AMD's reference cards.
  • silencer12 - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    The other manufacturers design other AMD reference cards. Msi, Asus, His, Xfx, powercolor...etc
  • Spunjji - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    Solid fans and an attractive shroud.

    It's also a picture of a massive heatsink and power delivery capable of drawing 300W from the PSU alone, which tells us that at least one of their products will be playing in the same TDP ballpark as the 3080.
  • bigboxes - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    Three fans and a shroud. You kinda like it. Looks about as generic as they come. Kind of like every other release.
  • Spunjji - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    What's the alternative?
  • valinor89 - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    I guess what Nvidea did for the new card's founder's editions.
  • Holliday75 - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    I wonder how many people would complain that they copied off of Nvidia's design.
  • bigboxes - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    The look is fine. I just can't see anyone gleaning anything of substance off that graphic design. It looks like just about every other card.
  • Spunjji - Wednesday, September 16, 2020 - link

    Yeah - besides a likely TDP, it's not giving much away.
  • eastcoast_pete - Monday, September 14, 2020 - link

    Okay, nice picture of a plastic mock-up. How about a picture of the GPU chip, or the PCB, or some performance numbers? Unless AMD gives people a reason to not shell out for an RTX 3070 or 3080 now, they'll loose a lot of sales just by not giving any hints of what they have instead.
  • Hul8 - Monday, September 14, 2020 - link

    That's not how pre-announcement teasers work.
  • Hul8 - Monday, September 14, 2020 - link

    I mean, if they did publish 1st party performance numbers, people would be crying about the reviewers not being able to verify them yet.
  • Spunjji - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    Goalpost moving has become a sport of late. First the complaints were all about no announcement. So they announced an announcement - so the complaints changed to them not giving any more details. So now we get this - and accompanying complaints about not getting anything else. It's like some of these people have never seen a GPU release before.

    There will be the same whingeing all the way up until the release, then on release there will be grumbles that they're not 10% faster at a 10% lower price with double the RAM, then the usual bitching about drivers, and finally kvetching that Nvidia is releasing new cards soon anyway.
  • close - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    So giving independently verifiable reviews in the pre-announcement announcement, and stocks already at retailers is too much all of a sudden? /s
  • Holliday75 - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    Haha. Next up people will have gender reveals after announcing the gender on Facebook due to friends and family bitching about not knowing.
  • Makaveli - Monday, September 14, 2020 - link

    lol I read his post and thought what is this guy smoking.
  • Cooe - Monday, September 14, 2020 - link

    Lol, found the inevitable dude making a fool of himself because he hasn't found out that Ampere is nearly a paper launch. It's worse than the Radeon VII launch quantity wise buddy. Even if you wanted to buy one, you're not going to be able to. And by the time RDNA 2 drops in late October (or November at the latest) there's a very good chance you'll be able to find one of those more easily than a RTX 3080/3090 STILL. Samsung's 8nm yields are pretty damn trash still. ESPECIALLY for dies this ginormous.

    And you seem to be forgetting that the RTX 3070 doesn't even come out until late next month... Aka when the RDNA 2 event is...
  • klatscho - Monday, September 14, 2020 - link

    I've heard that Samsung hields are "healthy" - where did you hear they are trash?
    Also, according to Moore's law is dead, it won't be a paper launch, although FE cards will be very limited due to the cost of the cooler and non-FE more expensive than suggested RRP for the same reason.
  • Cooe - Monday, September 14, 2020 - link

    "Nearly a paper launch" Why can't people read???? -_-
  • DigitalFreak - Monday, September 14, 2020 - link

    Only people with weak arguments need to use qualifiers.
  • Spunjji - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    Only Sith deal in absolutes. 😅

    Seriously though, who taught you that crap? At best it's only applicable to rhetoric; for sure it has absolutely no place in the discussion of facts. All honest truth-finding discussion involves qualifiers - "for a given", "assuming these factors", "to x level of confidence", etc. In this case they're being about as specific as anybody could be by saying they think there will be very little stock.

    I swear, whoever's been teaching people all this high-school debate nonsense as if it somehow leads to greater knowledge needs a slap.
  • imaheadcase - Monday, September 14, 2020 - link

    Found the AMD fanboy. Its not a paper launch, local best buy literally has a shipper full of them.

    Just because its hard to get one just means demand is high, nothing to do with paper launch dummy.
  • Cooe - Monday, September 14, 2020 - link

    This is BS. Google "Ampere stock". Countless respected people are reporting from countless sources that initial supply is going to be CRAZY tight this fall. Like Radeon VII tight.
  • Gigaplex - Monday, September 14, 2020 - link

    It's not just high demand. Supply is low.
  • inighthawki - Monday, September 14, 2020 - link

    As someone who hasn't really followed supply rates on previous releases, is there actual evidence showing it's going to be considerably weaker than the launch of any other CPU/GPU? It's really not all that uncommon for new chips to be out of stock or at least selling for significantly higher than MSRP for a few months after launch.
  • whatthe123 - Monday, September 14, 2020 - link

    This is what happens every launch: people get overly excited, then start worrying that they won't get a card at launch, then start spreading rumors about poor yields.

    Happens every damn launch for every damn GPU release, usually targeted at the GPU getting the most attention. If AMD releases specs for the 6000 and it beats out nvidia you can bet there will be rumors that the stock is low and it will get blamed on consoles or CPUs utilizing TSMC fabs, even though literally no one has this information except the manufacturers.
  • surt - Monday, September 14, 2020 - link

    I work for a certain manufacturer. I can tell you right now, with absolute certainty, NVidia has less than a billion units ready to stock across _all_ models. Complete paper launch.
  • inighthawki - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    What would a normal number be? A billion sounds like an enormous number to me.
  • ogremic - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    I think autocorrect took over. Maybe a million would be closer to the truth. AMD sold over 500 million GPUs since 2013. Sooo...
  • Cooe - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    Literally every credible PC technology reporter with a track record of good sources has been saying the exact same thing recently. It's not explicitly written in official information somewhere, but where there is THAT much smoke from that many people, there has to be a fire.
  • Spunjji - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    The most confidently-stated take I've seen is this:
    https://www.mooreslawisdead.com/post/nvidia-s-ulti...

    The claim seems to be that it won't be weak supply so much as *limited* supply, to keep prices high. This makes sense from a number of perspectives - not least that Nvidia's partners more than likely have a bunch of Turing stock left to ship, which would be impossible to do without incurring significant losses if there is a healthy supply of Ampere products at RRP.

    Personally, I'll be waiting to see. The bun-fight over FE cards is strictly for the fanboys. Even if prices go up over a month or two, it'll only be another month or two before they drop again - nobody's missing out on anything by waiting. If it turns out that stock levels are high then waiting a few weeks won't hurt, either.

    It's telling to see who's saying "BUY NOW BEFORE IT GOES".
  • Spunjji - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    I mean, it's more likely to be both? You sound like the Intel fanboys who were saying that the 9000 series were hard to get because of high-demand, even as Intel themselves announced productshortages...

    Oh, wait. I think you WERE one of those guys. 😂
  • Hxx - Monday, September 14, 2020 - link

    the RX 6000 flagship competes with the rtx 3070. They wont have a card to match 3080/90 so their release date preview is right on time and has nothing to do with yields or availability or anything. They are simply not competing with nvidia 's flagship cards. nvidia knows that too otherwise they wouldnt be releasing a 1500 videocard
  • NeuralNexus - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    Keep smoking that stuff
  • Spunjji - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    Releasing a $1500 video card indicates they don't think there will be competition at the 3090 level, for sure. At the 3080 level, you're just parroting the same crap the Nvidia shills are putting out to try to bait people into pre-orders before we even have independent benchmarks of Ampere, let alone know what RDNA 2 looks like.
  • Exodite - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    No, AMD won't lose any sales by rushing to info-dump or release their cards.

    The number of people who're both in the DIY market and willing to spend $500+ on a GPU is low to begin with.

    Add to that unwilling to wait 1-2 months to get comparative information and you get... a number of people who were never going to buy AMDs offerings to begin with.

    Which is fine, though let's not pretend those represent any lost sales.
  • Spunjji - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    The funniest bit is the people posting these complaints are, by and large, the exact same ones who would be whining about buggy early drivers if AMD did a rapid launch.
  • NeuralNexus - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    If you want to be stupid and spend your money before seeing what AMD has to offer as well, then that's on you. A lot of desperate people will spend their money without all the options on the table. With TSMC in AMD's corner on a superior node. I'm sure that AMD has something special in the works.
  • Xyler94 - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    To me personally, I use Nvidia tech, like G-Sync and Moonlight (which uses Nvidia Shield streaming), so if I were to get a new card, would be nvidia anyways. I don't fancy spending on a new monitor right now just to get free-sync, as my current monitor is perfectly capable still.

    It's not a matter that I don't like Radeon cards, I just have been using Nvidia Tech, and would cost me more than just the cost of a GPU to switch, so AMD would REALLY have to be compelling in order for me to switch out...
  • Wreckage - Monday, September 14, 2020 - link

    Will they finally be faster than a 1080ti?
  • Cooe - Monday, September 14, 2020 - link

    Lol yes. The RX 5700XT already beats out the 1080 Ti in plenty of titles.
  • nathanddrews - Monday, September 14, 2020 - link

    You're thinking of the vanilla 1080. The Ti is significantly faster.
  • Cooe - Monday, September 14, 2020 - link

    No I'm not. The 5700XT beats out the 1080 Ti in a number of titles. It definitely loses a lot more than it wins, but there ARE wins (and not just like one or something).
  • Gigaplex - Monday, September 14, 2020 - link

    Having some wins but overall more losses means that it's not faster than a 1080 Ti
  • Cooe - Monday, September 14, 2020 - link

    ... My original point was that they already had a card that could beat the 1080 Ti in a non insignificant number of games. Thus, RDNA 2 HAS to be faster than a 1080 Ti. Is this REALLY that hard to understand??? -_-
  • Gigaplex - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    That wasn't what the original poster asked for though. They asked for something that's faster (with no qualifiers). Not for something that can compete in some titles.
  • yetanotherhuman - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    It was misleading. One can also easily find certain games where a 1080 Ti is faster than an RTX 2080. Would I say the 1080 Ti is generally faster than a 2080? No. The 5700 XT is commonly a fair bit slower than a 1080 Ti, so most people would consider, in general, that the 1080 Ti is faster than a 5700 XT.
  • Cooe - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    I never said the RX 5700 XT was faster than the 1080 Ti! I was only suggesting that it's close enough that RDNA 2 NOT beating a 1080 Ti is literally impossible. Come on guys!!! How hard is this to understand!
  • Hul8 - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    @Cooe Either they're idiots who can't read, or they're intentionally trolling you with a straw man argument.
  • Holliday75 - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    Yup. I understood his point immediately.
  • Makaveli - Monday, September 14, 2020 - link

    Actually no the 1080ti is general faster than 5700XT.
  • Cooe - Monday, September 14, 2020 - link

    *facepalm* I know that. Where did I say it was faster in general? I just said it's faster in a number of titles... Which it is.
  • DigitalFreak - Monday, September 14, 2020 - link

    There's those qualifiers again.
  • Spunjji - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    "Specific claims are dumb", said a Super Smart Guy.
  • nathanddrews - Monday, September 14, 2020 - link

    "Plenty of titles"

    No. I think I've seen like 3 current titles where it meets or exceeds 1080 Ti performance by 3%.
  • brbReadingStuff - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    Funny seeing the comments responding to you, kinda expected more from anandtech readers reading comprehension.
  • Spunjji - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    Their reading comprehension is fine; they're just here to make some very specific points to a very specific audience, and wilfully misunderstanding people is a great way to shit up the thread.
  • just4U - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    It can't be that much faster.. I own 1080s and have a 5700XT which keeps pace in most games. Cost me a few 100 less (CAD) as well.. Money well spent as the 2070 was going to cost me another $300.. just no... no ... no hells no.
  • DigitalFreak - Monday, September 14, 2020 - link

    Point to a list of 5700XT vs 1080ti benchmarks. It's on you to prove what you post.
  • Spunjji - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    You picked the wrong card - but it's been amazing seeing people wilfully misinterpret what you wrote.
  • Spunjji - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    Spot the fanboy
  • Spunjji - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    The Radeon VII already consistently beats the 1080Ti:
    https://www.techspot.com/review/1870-amd-radeon-rx...
    In short: at 1440p it nets 6 clear wins, 3 draws, and 3 losses (one of which is bloody Fortnite). That qualifies as faster by any reasonable definition.

    The 5700XT already comes close to the Radeon 7 with only about 66% of the raw power. So yeah - the big version of RDNA 2 will easily beat the 1080Ti, and the 2080Ti, and will more than likely be duking it out with the 3080.
  • Sttm - Monday, September 14, 2020 - link

    Not impressed by the look. Triple fans is good move though.
  • Unashamed_unoriginal_username_x86 - Monday, September 14, 2020 - link

    "Big Navi!"
    "Big Navi!"
    "Big Navi!"
    "It's only a model..."
    "shhh!"
  • edzieba - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    On second though, let's not go to the comments section. 'Tis a silly place.
  • Lord of the Bored - Monday, September 14, 2020 - link

    That is definitely a video card.
  • Sychonut - Monday, September 14, 2020 - link

    Can it run Crysis though?
  • godrilla - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    The switch port? Crytek killed this meme themselves!
  • Rudde - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    1xHDMI, 2xDP, 1xUSB-C
  • Samus - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    That thing is FAST. Just look at it. nVidia just dropped a log.

    /s
  • alufan - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    Lol Nvidia and AMD Fanbois debating which is the faster card before either have been tested properly.
    I think (hope) that AMD has a chance of being very close to beating Nvidia this time round just based on the console specs and ability seen so far the PS5 is shown as 4k capable with RT and can use 8k textures in real time, of course we have not seen what the Green Team can do yet but the prices suggest they are aware of the capability of the AMD offer.
    Am going to sit on the Fence and wait and give my Money to the one that offers the best product for me, but I think at least we will have some competition for a change.
  • Spunjji - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    Are they, though? I haven't seen a single person here claiming that the AMD card will be faster - it's literally just Nvidiots saying it DeFiNiTeLy WoN't Be.
  • PeachNCream - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    Not much can be discerned from only one image. We'll need physical hardware plus performance and power data from third parties with relevant data for current competition which will be coming later on. And even then, all of that will likely be moot if the pricing is unrealistic which has been the case for a few many generations of upper tier gaming GPUs.
  • TEAMSWITCHER - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    LOL. I can't believe this was even posted.
  • fred666 - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    What's the point, since it's only a reference design which is not going to be sold, and we don't even see the PCB?
    It could be a previous-gen card under the hood an nobody would know
  • PeachNCream - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    Oh more likely its just a 3D render of the card's reference design. It is getting difficult to discern the differences these days without a high resolution image to look over closely.
  • eastcoast_pete - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    Well, at least regarding NVIDIA's 30XX series, doesn't the embargo on first tests lift by tomorrow? Ryan, please update if yes, and by when your first impressions will go live. At least, then we'll have an idea what Big Navi is really up against.
  • AMDSuperFan - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    Just by looking at it, you know this card is the fastest there is or ever will be. It screams speed. I believe we know it can easily do 12 TFlops standing still. Quiet and much faster than NVidia? What is not to love? I am sure it will use less power as well. Nvidia is yesterdays news with their ARM purchase that will make them really a bad company in the long run compared to AMD. AMD make us all feel good inside and as you know, they are used for playing video games on the consoles.
  • Spunjji - Wednesday, September 16, 2020 - link

    The funny bit about your posts under this daft sock-puppet is that they serve only to illustrate how partisan and incapable of understanding an opposing point of view *you personally* are.
  • Toadster - Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - link

    it's .... a... videocard... LOL
  • alufan - Wednesday, September 16, 2020 - link

    Linus is not impressed with the 3080 its good but not a game changer at all in fact the 5700xt beats it in some compute work
  • Spunjji - Thursday, September 17, 2020 - link

    They got their performance by goosing the clocks and giving it way more TFLOPS than it can actually use in games. Reminds me of GCN 2. If AMD can pull a Maxwell then they're golden.

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